So there was this chap (with an anime blog) who went by the name of Cameron Probert. This chap was looking for a 9th entry for his personal list of all time top anime. Something to rank up there with the very best shows he’d ever seen. As it were, a 10/10 show.
The reason I bring this up is my tendency to get to the end of a good series, enjoying the glow of its niceness, and then say to myself – “Right. Cool. That’s worth… 9/10″. It reminds me of his (nifty) articles explaining why certain series weren’t able to make his list of legends.

9/10 is a fair score for many a quality show, and I seldom fail to recall blemishes which justify the removal of that lone golden number which separates the 9’s from the 10’s. As a result, like Probert, the podium upon which I place my very favourite favourites (there are 3, I’ll not name them here) grows ever more remote from the braying crowd of the merely excellent. Especially because I reinforce the stature of those on The List by involuntarily allotting them the 10/10 in my head. The idea of #4 being out there somewhere in the world is tantalising and frustrating.
So while I don’t allot a score or ranking to every anime I watch, when it comes to the very best that distinction is still in my head. I’m forever asking whether this latest show is worthy of the list of best bests. Invariably I find imperfections.
But then, what can I possibly mean by referring to perfection? Should I just think about what would be personally appealing?
The reviewing systems I know and love are predicated upon the fetish of perfection. My favourite judgemental authorities (looking beyond anime) have always been the ones who refused to give their perfect scores to more than an elite few, or refused to give it ever. But what I’m interested in here isn’t the attempted objectivity of these reviewers, it’s the personal sense of perfection. The feeling that what you just saw was immaculate.

If there are flaws in execution, either the experience is damaged by them, or they are not true flaws. It’s redundant to try and measure fiction according to fixed criteria regarding direction or character development or the like.In taking this position I’m referring to perfection as the absence of blemishes in our own eyes. Not something concrete, but something subjective.
The difficultly of maintaining such an illusion of perfection over a TV series should be apparent. That’s a lot of perfect direction, and perfect dialogue, and perfect art, and perfect fucking everything which has to be right in place in the eyes of the individual viewer.
And for TV series, that’s a continuous experience – a repeated moment of admiration. Something completely different from, say, the polish of a perfect two hour film.
It’s perhaps because of this that anime forces an awareness of subjectivity upon us. In the moment of anticipation for the next perfect episode, we can see how our personal management of the viewing experience is central to how far we see a show as ‘perfect’. It’s not that serial stories actually are more subjective in quality terms, it’s that we become more aware of our role as viewer in maintaining that feeling of perfection. Which amounts to a great deal of “I like what I like”, and a general hesitancy to be objective amongst fans.
The fact is that the best show for the individual will always need more than this feeling of perfection – because the best experience relies on resonance.

I think of my personal 10/10’s as thing that have that perfect feel and are distinctly personally appealing.
There is a level above everything in a show being spot on. This is a level a show like Kannagi doesn’t ever reach, for all its virtues. It’s the level a show like Xam’d hasn’t consistently reached (so far), even though it shows many of the capacities necessary to do so. No matter how well made something is there has to be a strong personal connection for the true 10/10 experience to occur. A show can be resonant and imperfect, but in that case it still won’t reach the level of those series which provided both aspects.
There’s a link between this subjectivist quest for glory approach to anime viewing and the creation of a fan’s canon.
If I am in search of my #4, then I need to look to the right places. I need an idea of which shows might be candidates for the top spots. That is to say, if I know all the shows most likely to throw up few (or less important) blemishes, I’ll find more of the ones that proceed to rise above perfection. The ones that can reach the glorious list.
As such, I reject any canon which aims to tell me what’s “essential” to my understanding of anime. I have wanted to understand anime as a whole, I still kind of do. But I’m increasingly of the opinion that the ideal individual experience has to come before everything else.

It may be somewhat productive to explore anime in its own right – but we make a better fandom, and a better collective idea of “anime” if we insist on ideas of actual quality. A canon based on what’s socially important to us is a dead shark, it’s something which looses its connection to the experience of actually watching. It’s all fan-love and no art-love.
The right thing to do is base our canon on quality (albeit subjectively measured) rather than social relevance. Otherwise we end up in a circle(-jerk) of references and a calcified fandom. This obviously has a certain appeal. It may be better suited to creating an otaku culture. But it doesn’t suit my perfectionist-cum-hedonist ideal. The shows on that magic list means too much to me.
We should be picky – because once we’ve made the list, decided our personal perfect shows and then nominated the few which have that little bit more, we’ve learned something about ourselves.
Rather than using anime as a retreat world, an alternative reality of facts and ideas, we should see it as what it is. A subsection of a medium. A conveniently limited realm within which to act out our regular quests for understanding and connection.

We can learn a bit about where we should look for art, for meaning. The quest may be about finding 10/10 shows, but the highest value is (inevitably, infuriatingly) in the journey. Maybe if we do the job well, with honesty and critical judgement, we can figure out exactly why we’d choose to conduct the search in the world of foreign cartoons anyway.
That’s a knowledge that won’t come from the closed construct world of inter-reference. Understanding anime has to be based in understanding what resonates with us as individuals, rather than greedily seeking understanding of the culture.
That’s why we have to take those 9/10s to task for their imperfections or failures to connect. Because there’s bugger all point to anime for its own sake, that quest might as well be conducted in any one of a thousand geekeries. Obsession with the 10/10 is obsession with the shows themselves – and that has to make it the right quest to set out on.
Great post. Now forgive me for the wall of text that follows, and take it as a victory for your writing in making me seriously reflect.
Your search for excellence is impressive, noble even. I for one does not believe in canon as an objective thing. Mechafetish and I go back and forth discussing quantitative approaches and making the least subjective set of criteria as possible. Ultimately it will become an imposition of values.
That said, you mentioned resonance. The selections made will inspire agreement instead of divisiveness. It’s romantic, I’ll give you that.
The 10s I award to anime in MAL are justified thusly: the awesomeness within these works make the flaws irrelevant.
But who am I to say that these flaws (provided that they are flaws) won’t be relevant to some and relevant to others? Relevance is subjective. In a post I’m working on I share my biggest problem with the Macross franchise. I’ll save that for then but here’s another (related) one: The SDF-1 never defends itself with its full strength despite the odds against it being always overwhelming. And when I say not at full strength I believe it is very far from full strength. It doesn’t make sense at all, and it has over the years distracted me to the point of frustration.
So yes, this bothers me and is relevant to my appreciation of supposedly “real robot” anime, as well as military (science) fiction.
But I realize this: fanboying isn’t blind, it’s forgiving. I choose to overlook this and appreciate the power of music and love to change the fate of civilizations aircraft carriers for arms, and fishing in space. Escapist? By all means, and for the last 24 years I’ve been in and out of its universe.
The thing is, I won’t, can’t make the objective value judgment that says Macross is a better anime than XYZ show. I’m not an arbiter of quality, though I may be influenced by the opinions of others such as yourself.
By: ghostlightning on December 9, 2008
at 5:02 pm
Your search for 10/10 is too focused on the 9/10s I think.
I’m not a perfect person, I don’t think a perfect show would appeal to me all that much, so I don’t really take objectivity seriously when it comes to rounding out my own list of what I like.
Because that’s like saying whatever factor that you like in a show is inherently one way or another as a measurement of quality. I don’t buy that.
By: omo on December 9, 2008
at 5:05 pm
so…you’re saying we shouldn’t be limited by an imposed canon of anime, but then you say we should view anime in a way that is tailored to your preference? Hmm…
I like the idea of 10/10 being more ideological or memetic than objective, which is true. 10/10 seems like that fictive weapon the bad guy says he has “fear my elusive death ray!” – but does he actually have one? As you said, the idea of perfection is there to keep us in check.
But eventually, trying to say what “the point of anime is” falls into the trap of assigning that very canon of usage in an attempt to negate the canon of being. “Let’s not worry about what anime is…but now we’ll focus on how we use it” – IMHO doesn’t seem much different, we’re just slightly altering our discourse.
By: lelangir on December 9, 2008
at 5:17 pm
some of what you say here, if i’m understanding you, dovetails with some of cslewis’ experiment in criticism (probably an underrated book), you might be interested.
By: sarah on December 9, 2008
at 5:58 pm
I’ve avoid 10/10 rating system altogether… in my own media platform, I’ve implemented what I call a relative rating:
For items A and B there are 3 scenarios:
A>B
A<B
A=B
The context of this comparison is a “level” in which every item can be brought into the environment on some given level related to items on other levels (if that makes sense).
This can be thought of as a superset to the 10/10 system, which can be obtained using a finite 10 levels across every user, but dynamically, each user is allowed their own scale. Of course relations can be matched a bit easier on a per-title basis.
I’m still waiting for someone to fully show me disadvantages to this system, and or fully understand the concept. So far, I think only hikago (short-circuited.com) understands it, and we’ve bounced various ideas back and forth about technicalities of ratings.
How this relates between individuals? Well, we can’t consider everyone’s 10 point system equivalent. Relative ratings allow “personality and bias” to be accounted for in the final result. In theory, there is possibly a way in which you can take two lists, and have one conform to the standards of the other, and see where items would appear.
So, ya ^^
By: Ryan A on December 9, 2008
at 5:59 pm
lelangir: well I guess the thing is I don’t compare things that way. It’s like saying a block of cheese is no more or less delicious than a piece of bread, it’s a matter of preference. The divorce is between objectivity and the comparison.
As in, you can obviously criticize a block of cheese objectively and assign */10 values to it. But what good does that do?
Sometimes I think when it comes to something as diverse as anime, we are making meaningless comparisons.
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I do get annoyed when people strongly force comparisons between two anime shows, as if the shows were specifically made to fight against each other, when that’s not the case.
Looking at my completed MAL works, out of 314 items, I gave 25 of them a 10/10, which seems like too many to some people. And all of them aren’t all time favorites, but all of the ratings are subjective, if that makes any sense.
All of the 10s make me feel something, be it awe, joy, pensive, and so on, coupled on top of above average properties based on all I’ve seen (which really isn’t that much). And even then, there are some 9/10 that I feel more than some 10s, but they have something or other that knock it from the top spot. It’s still up to me at the end to determine whether or not this show works for me or not. I don’t actively search for the perfect show, and I’d rather be pleasantly surprised when it comes to me.
By: TheBigN on December 9, 2008
at 8:03 pm
Or I guess, just because it’s a 10 doesn’t mean it’s a “10 and a favorite”. I think. :/
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@ryan:
Huh? I’d like to understand but I can’t grasp it.
@omo: all in good humor!
but yeah..i don’t really follow you…I don’t think your second comment is in response to mine, but I agree with what you’re saying, insofar as I get it: that ratings – comparisons between anime – are pointless ’cause anime so diverse? So yeah, I concur…if I’m not blatantly contradicting myself somehow.
By: lelangir on December 9, 2008
at 10:30 pm
You have the rating system of a critic. I have the rating system of a recommender (~~~ to +++). My ratings most directly reflect my strength of recommendation, which is not necessarily consistent with my critical opinion. Even if a show is noticeably flawed, I’ll give it the +++ if it makes me wet like the rainy season (e.g. Higurashi).
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@ Baka-Raptor
I think your recommendation ratings are great! These allow for all sorts of ‘customization’ based on what you know of the person you’re making the recommendation to. Furthermore, the exercise is a practical one than an academic one.
I don’t mean that an academic goal is less valuable, I was from the academe long ago too. Recommendations are just closer to the point-of-sale/consumption. The value is practical.
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Oh lord this is going to kill me, at least it’s 1/2 pingbacks:
ghostlightning: In my favourite things there are certain aspects which I am aware a lot of people don’t like. Things that other fans of these series really don’t like. It’s just that for me, they aren’t flaws. Now I could say that’s awesomeness overcoming blemishes – but I don’t really believe in those blemishes that don’t affect me.
Thing is, I can’t see myself asking whether I’m qualified to dismiss these flaws without implying that I must ask myself whether (in other shows) I’m qualified to consider flaws as flaws in the first place.
Which is not a position I want to be in.
Not that I necessarily want to be an arbiter. But if we all wear the mask we wind up with an (inaccurate and somewhat randomised maybe) critical weight as a collective. Which is the kind of collective do-dah I benefit from massively in conducting my selfish research. And the kind of thing I find fun.
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omo: I’m not 100% on why I’m over-involved with the 9/10s. I really don’t think, in my own experience, that the distinction between the 9s and 10s is so much one of execution as one of reaction. The difference in terms of how they’re made can be quite minor, even if their impact upon me is categorically distinct. I see pursuit of 9s as an attempt at open-mindedness. A show might make the step up while I’m watching it.
I really do think that a show which produces the best possible experience for me has to be treated in terms of absolute quality. I don’t see what better measurement of quality there can be than the relationship between a person and a story. And I believe in the illusion represented in my list and think it stands for something vital.
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lelangir: My preference for a canon of “quality” over one of tradition is really selfish. Looking across different media, I’ve tended to get more out of listening to people from one school of opinionated imposition than from the other.
I can’t help but think of the way certain idiots (especially British footballers) promise to give an effort of over 110% (often reaching suggested targets in the thousands or millions). Basically the only difference between my wanting things to be 100% and them wanting 110% is that I’m being harsher on those who are 10% below maximum. And I do so want to be harsh.
I don’t think the approach I set myself up against really is utterly distinct. Or rather – I think it is similar in how it is carried out, but massively different in result.
I also think that the emphasis in the harsh one is better suited for my personal purposes, and makes for a better critical dialogue. I’m being broadly optimistic about the results of my own selfishness, perhaps because I prefer the fan-language of, say, cinema, to that of anime.
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sarah: Duly noted. Not that I study literature.
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Ryan A: I think I remember you posting on this idea before (in fact I plan to do my end of year ratings using your system).
I agree that relative-tiered levelling is more accurate in dealing with the broad range of shows out there – especially at the lower ends of the scale. Especially in that some people will be stricter than others depending on their personal aims in rating shows. Arguably Baka-Raptor’s recommendation based system is an other-directed form of this.
Still the lack of a magic symbolic 10/10 doesn’t quite click with my actual experience. My favourites really do mean that much more to me. Maybe I’d have to include a couple of empty theoretical tiers to segregate them from the crowd. This might more accurately represent my personal obsession with the very best.
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TheBigN: I reckon the advantage of doing things out of 10, as opposed to something like Ryan suggests, is that the extent to which shows are in combat with one another is reduced. The numbers take on a vague but evocative meaning – and it hopefully becomes less about competition. There’s
no fight betwen the 9s and 10s, just an absolute and personal qualitative distinction.
I’m kind of jealous that you have so many 10/10s. Although perhaps that’s just because I refuse to hand out the imaginary 10/10 unless it is a “favourite”.
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Baka-Raptor: Whike I’d probably feel the need to invent an unneeded ++++, your system is what I’d be using if I gave scores with reviews. That said, there’s a difference to my being a critic for myself and a critic for others.
When I write stuff here in critical tone I avoid scores like the plague. Only in my own head do the complex bollocks of precise criticism and the utilitarian rating system collide. Result: wonderful neurosis.
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